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Fed-up residents in Northcroft Lane are hoping West Berkshire Council will back their campaign to rid their area of boy racers.

Thirty residents have asked the council to install a gate to the pay and display car park next to the cricket pitch, CCTV in the car park, and a 20mph speed limit.

Residents complained about loud music, wheel spinning and fast driving along the normally quiet lane, but the council says there have been no accidents for more than two years.

‘Boy racers’ were a regular sight in Park Way until the area was cordoned off for redevelopment. Police had previously issued a dispersal order, and it’s thought this moved the problem to Northcroft.

West Berkshire Council will make a decision on Thursday.
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This is not just a problem in Northcroft Lane but right across Newbury. What we need is the police to act and deal with this problem immediately.  Has anybody thought of videoing it?


Dispersal orders only move the problem to somewhere else, it doesn't solve it. Which is what the policing should be trying to do.
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I had to go up the late night chemist (Boots) a few weeks ago. I could not believe the amount of noise from across the car park, of cars revving their nuts off certainly with illegal exhausts, intermingled with boom box music as they attempted to outdo each other. At one stage the car with the noisiest exhaust who no doubt was the winner of the 'I'm the noisiest young driver in Newbury' competition hurled himself up and down the car park in lowest gear and highest revs for the benefit of the other numb nuts.

Policing this sort of anti social problem must be a chore that TVP know they can't win. They, the noisy young drivers, haven't really commited a crime so all they can do, as far as I can tell, is move them on. The only way to reduce the noise pollution of these 1100 Peugeots and citroens is that they are pulled by the police on the road and their insurance cancelled because of unauthorised modifications to the car, especially oversized exhausts.

The scooter owners that remove the baffles from their exhausts could also do with a tug. The one, in particular, who starts out at full revs somewhere on Turnpike, down Kiln Road and round the Walton Rd estate, still on full revs and usually quite late at night.
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Thirty residents have asked the council to install a gate to the pay and display car park next to the cricket pitch, CCTV in the car park, and a 20mph speed limit.

West Berkshire Council will make a decision on Thursday.


Who is going to pay for this. Yes, that's right, all the ratepayers in the WBC catchment.

The solution would be for the thirty residents to put their hands in their pockets and fund a gate and take it in turns to lock and unlock it at start and end of day.
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Why not give them somewhere to go. A tarmacked bit of wasteland fairly close to town, not too near to any houses should be fairly cheap.
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Why not give them somewhere to go. A tarmacked bit of wasteland fairly close to town, not too near to any houses should be fairly cheap.

Vodafone car park??
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......They, the noisy young drivers, haven't really commited a crime so all they can do, as far as I can tell, is move them on.......


But they have committed an offence!  One against what all Police Constables are charged with keeping - the Queen's peace!  No reason why the Police, all of whom will have taken the oath, can't get them in front of the Magistrates to try the question.  
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Why not give them somewhere to go. A tarmacked bit of wasteland fairly close to town, not too near to any houses should be fairly cheap.




I am sure everybody will say; so long as it is not near me, that will be fine.
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Vodafone car park??
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I am sure everybody will say; so long as it is not near me, that will be fine.
Yes, NIMBY-ism I believe it's called.

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Why not give them somewhere to go. A tarmacked bit of wasteland fairly close to town, not too near to any houses should be fairly cheap.


No such place. If there had been, WBC would have found a developer to build houses on it.
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Yes, NIMBY-ism I believe it's called.



Yes

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Why not give them somewhere to go. A tarmacked bit of wasteland fairly close to town, not too near to any houses should be fairly cheap.


WBC office car park
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WBC office car park


At least User can keep an eye on them

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WBC office car park
No room, too many people working hard late into the night.

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No room, too many people working hard late into the night.

Serves them right for dossing around on the Internet all day!  

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No room, too many people working hard late into the night.

That shouldn't be a problem, the racers only need the car park not the offices.
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Serves them right for dossing around on the Internet all day!  



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That shouldn't be a problem, the racers only need the car park not the offices.



But..................... they could use the offices though as I would imagine they are hardly used

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Serves them right for dossing around on the Internet all day!  



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Policing this sort of anti social problem must be a chore that TVP know they can't win. They, the noisy young drivers, haven't really commited a crime so all they can do, as far as I can tell, is move them on. The only way to reduce the noise pollution of these 1100 Peugeots and citroens is that they are pulled by the police on the road and their insurance cancelled because of unauthorised modifications to the car, especially oversized exhausts.

The scooter owners that remove the baffles from their exhausts could also do with a tug.
This applies just as much to the majority of motorcyclists as it does to cars and scooters.

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This applies just as much to the majority of motorcyclists as it does to cars and scooters.


Total bollocks! The majority of motorcyclists?!? Let's see your evidence of this then. Should be interesting.

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It's very interesting to see all these repercussions from Park Way. When the boy racers were there, with no one living nearby, they police issued a dispersal order. Now they've moved on to Northcroft, we find a dispersal order is not enough, no.....we need some fancy gates.

It's a real shame, as Northcroft ward is a net contributor to the giant pot of developers' cash stolen by WBC. All those millions and all we got was a new Monkey bridge which no one asked for.  
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Total bollocks! The majority of motorcyclists?!? Let's see your evidence of this then. Should be interesting.

You'll have to wait until my video is completed.
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You'll have to wait until my video is completed.


I'll look forward to it. Especially if it's going to show the majority of motorcyclists, as you have alleged.  
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I wonder if Brewmaster lives close to the A339 from Burger King up to the top of the hill by the retail park. This bit of road seems to invite full throttle from all and sundry. The test is to clock the speed as the vehicle, car or motorbike, passes under the footbridge. Modern bikes are very noisy at this sort of acceleration.

My 2.8Td can reach 48 mph at the marker point with pedal to the floor.

A good bike can get 120 mph or better.
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When the boy racers were there, with no one living nearby
I don't recall all the houses in Park Terrace or Park Lane being empty.

Perhaps your knowledge of Newbury geography isn't as good as you'd like to think, hence these silly outbursts from you?

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I don't recall all the houses in Park Terrace or Park Lane being empty.

Perhaps your knowledge of Newbury geography isn't as good as you'd like to think, hence these silly outbursts from you?



You are right of course, we used to have a poster who lived close by who was always complaining about the noise pollution.

I'm not sure why you need to be quite so vitriolic though this would have been sufficient.......

Perhaps your knowledge of Newbury geography isn't as good as you'd like to think
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You are right of course, we used to have a poster who lived close by who was always complaining about the noise pollution.

I'm not sure why you need to be quite so vitriolic though this would have been sufficient.......

Perhaps your knowledge of Newbury geography isn't as good as you'd like to think
I was just responding with the tone of the original post, there was no intent to offend.

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I wonder if Brewmaster lives close to the A339.


No - but he and his neighbours have a well publicised problem with motorbikes.
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I had to go up the late night chemist (Boots) a few weeks ago. I could not believe the amount of noise from across the car park, of cars revving their nuts off certainly with illegal exhausts, intermingled with boom box music as they attempted to outdo each other. At one stage the car with the noisiest exhaust who no doubt was the winner of the 'I'm the noisiest young driver in Newbury' competition hurled himself up and down the car park in lowest gear and highest revs for the benefit of the other numb nuts.

Policing this sort of anti social problem must be a chore that TVP know they can't win. They, the noisy young drivers, haven't really commited a crime so all they can do, as far as I can tell, is move them on. The only way to reduce the noise pollution of these 1100 Peugeots and citroens is that they are pulled by the police on the road and their insurance cancelled because of unauthorised modifications to the car, especially oversized exhausts.

The scooter owners that remove the baffles from their exhausts could also do with a tug. The one, in particular, who starts out at full revs somewhere on Turnpike, down Kiln Road and round the Walton Rd estate, still on full revs and usually quite late at night.


I think you are arguing with yourself here
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I don't recall all the houses in Park Terrace or Park Lane being empty.

Perhaps your knowledge of Newbury geography isn't as good as you'd like to think, hence these silly outbursts from you?



I had thought of that, but my main point is still that dispersal orders are fine for the residents of Park Terrace, but not for Northcroft Lane? Either they work or they don't. If they don't (as we've seen at the retail park), the police should stop promoting them as a solution.
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I had thought of that, but my main point is still that dispersal orders are fine for the residents of Park Terrace, but not for Northcroft Lane? Either they work or they don't. If they don't (as we've seen at the retail park), the police should stop promoting them as a solution.
I agree, it's only moving the problem on to somewhere else. They should solve the real issue, these kids have nowhere fit for purpose to go.

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I agree, it's only moving the problem on to somewhere else. They should solve the real issue, these kids have nowhere fit for purpose to go.



And who will fund it??
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Easy - just stick up a few signposts pointing towards the disused airfield behind Membury services.

Show of ur rimz! Follow da sines! ----->
Dis way 4 maximum hoonage! ----->
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You'll have to wait until my video is completed.

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I'll look forward to it. Especially if it's going to show the majority of motorcyclists, as you have alleged.  


I second that. Brewmaster has apparently had a vendetta against motorcyclists for many years & is well known for it in the area in which he lives. However as in all walks of life it's the odd few that spoil things for all concerned, unfortunately he seems to be convinced that he is right. I wonder would he agree then that quite possibly the majority of lovers of real ale are over the drink / drive limit when they get behind the wheel !!!  
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I think you are arguing with yourself here


In a way, I am but TVP know that they won't get anywhere, the CPS will not proceed with this sort of difficult to prove case. I would think that the best option would be for some sort of legislation which would enable the old bill to refer suspect vehicles for safety checks to DVLA testing stations for examination with a copy of the report being sent to the vehicle owners insurance company.
The Mot test itself is not designed to weed out noisy vehicles but it is not unknown for a car to be presented for Mot with a proper exhaust and catalytic convertor thus getting it a pass on emmisions etc and then within 24 hours the kit has been removed and the old straight through system replaced.
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Easy - just stick up a few signposts pointing towards the disused airfield behind Membury services.

Show of ur rimz! Follow da sines! ----->
Dis way 4 maximum hoonage! ----->
Tha da shizzle m8!

Seriously though, money can be spent moving them on to another area on, only for the residents of wherever they end up to complain or money can be spent giving them somewhere to go.

The latter seems much more cost effective in the long run.

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Frankly, this seems to be the most logical solution.
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You'll have to wait until my video is completed.


No sign of it yet i see !!!  
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