Apart from the fact that it is easy pickings in the loading and unloading bays, can someone please explain why three of them need to operate all day long in Bartholomew Street South?

Quoted from BrianB

Apart from the fact that it is easy pickings in the loading and unloading bays, can someone please explain why three of them need to operate all day long in Bartholomew Street South?

I think you answered your own question there. There aren't exactly a lot of commercial premises or shops in the area that might need unique commercial parking. Coincidentally, it's where I saw the green guy writing a ticket the other day and as I waited for the traffic, the car owner turned up took the ticket off the screen, glanced at it and drove off.

Again, don't think the parking issue is just about revenue.  There is also another problem which proper control of illegal parking seeks to address - smooth running of traffic.  Appreciate we are in the middle of a construction site right now but the traffic flow issues are componded by idiotic parking by some.  The 'I've only parked on the double yellow for a couple of minutes whilst I buy my paper' brigade - probably add 15 minutes to other people's journey times.  Classic example of this is the problem first thing in Shaw Road, outside the shop - where every tradesman in Berkshire stops.  They all HAVE to park immediately outside!  Keeping Shaw Road one way and Kiln Road a car park.

Quoted from 40

Again, don't think the parking issue is just about revenue.  There is also another problem which proper control of illegal parking seeks to address - smooth running of traffic.  Appreciate we are in the middle of a construction site right now but the traffic flow issues are componded by idiotic parking by some.  The 'I've only parked on the double yellow for a couple of minutes whilst I buy my paper' brigade - probably add 15 minutes to other people's journey times.  Classic example of this is the problem first thing in Shaw Road, outside the shop - where every tradesman in Berkshire stops.  They all HAVE to park immediately outside!  Keeping Shaw Road one way and Kiln Road a car park.

Funny thing is that the location you mention in Shaw Rd hasn't got parking restrictions outside the shop. There is sometimes a problem caused by people who park on the opposite side of the road, facing Hermitage but I'm not sure that newsagent parking to buy the Sun, causes tailbacks in the morning, they are down to volume of traffic, including the school run, and the resultant tailback from the Robin Hood traffic lights. But, it always keeps moving.

Quoted from brian

Funny thing is that the location you mention in Shaw Rd hasn't got parking restrictions outside the shop. There is sometimes a problem caused by people who park on the opposite side of the road, facing Hermitage but I'm not sure that newsagent parking to buy the Sun, causes tailbacks in the morning, they are down to volume of traffic, including the school run, and the resultant tailback from the Robin Hood traffic lights. But, it always keeps moving.

Doesn't need yellow lines there.  Parking x feet from a junction, parking with two wheels on the pavement, parking so as to cause an obstruction are all sufficient offences!  The traffic would run far more smoothly even at peak periods if it wasn't for these selfish few.  

What's wrong with 'the school run' by the way?  If we had a half decent public transport system Newbury wouldn't need one.  As it hasn't that's the only alternative.  I heard a rather radical idea the other day in Brentford of all places - why not 'ban white van man' during peak periods?  they can generally travel before and after because appointments are in their hands generally... interesting!

Quoted from 40

Doesn't need yellow lines there.  Parking x feet from a junction, parking with two wheels on the pavement, parking so as to cause an obstruction are all sufficient offences!  The traffic would run far more smoothly even at peak periods if it wasn't for these selfish few.

You must go down a different Shaw Rd to me. Parking doesn't happen close to the junction, there are traffic lights in the way and I don't see vehicle parked on the pavement.

Quoted from 40

What's wrong with 'the school run' by the way?  If we had a half decent public transport system Newbury wouldn't need one.  As it hasn't that's the only alternative.  I heard a rather radical idea the other day in Brentford of all places - why not 'ban white van man' during peak periods?  they can generally travel before and after because appointments are in their hands generally... interesting!

I didn't say there was anything wrong with the school run. Parents need to get their off spring to school and white van man has as much right as anybody to be on the road. He has a living to earn.

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I don't see vehicle parked on the pavement.

Shaw Road terraced properties have nowhere else to park apart from on-street.  In the evenings/early mornings the layby is completely full and residents park on the opposite side of the road (nose to tail).  Half on, half off the footpath - which is a shared cyclepath.  These vehicles obstruct the pavement and make it difficult for cyclists and pedestrians to get past.  The Council should introduce yellow lines here.  

The problem is that through the standard consultation process they have to advertise any plans to bring in parking restrictions for 21 days.  If they get objections then they may have to reconsider.  I would assume that EVERY resident of Shaw Road would strongly object to bringing in yellow lines to stop them parking in 'their' road.  

Result?  Nothing happens because the Council probably don't think it's worth over-ruling these objections.

Quoted from spartacus

Shaw Road terraced properties have nowhere else to park apart from on-street.  In the evenings/early mornings the layby is completely full and residents park on the opposite side of the road (nose to tail).  Half on, half off the footpath - which is a shared cyclepath.  These vehicles obstruct the pavement and make it difficult for cyclists and pedestrians to get past.  The Council should introduce yellow lines here.  

The problem is that through the standard consultation process they have to advertise any plans to bring in parking restrictions for 21 days.  If they get objections then they may have to reconsider.  I would assume that EVERY resident of Shaw Road would strongly object to bringing in yellow lines to stop them parking in 'their' road.  

Result?  Nothing happens because the Council probably don't think it's worth over-ruling these objections.

Now there I do agree with you, but that is not casual paper buyers but residents or possibly their visitors, parking opposite the Terrace and this is a dangerous situation both for traffic trying to get past when they block the sight line and also when they restrict the footpath by sticking their wheels up on the pavement.
There was an accident a couple of days ago with two or three cars side swiping each other as they tried to pass in iopposite directions because, I think, a car was parked up on the pavement but blocking the road.

Quoted from brian

Now there I do agree with you, but that is not casual paper buyers but residents or possibly their visitors, parking opposite the Terrace and this is a dangerous situation both for traffic trying to get past when they block the sight line and also when they restrict the footpath by sticking their wheels up on the pavement.
There was an accident a couple of days ago with two or three cars side swiping each other as they tried to pass in iopposite directions because, I think, a car was parked up on the pavement but blocking the road.

The casual paper buyer makes a bad situation ten times worse.  There is no reason why these people couldn't park properly and walk a few feet for their paper.  Some people seem to think they should have been born attached to wheels - so once they have a car or a bike, no longer need the use of their legs.  Another incident, I'm minded to mention to the Taxi office - a couple of days back, mid afternoon, a taxi parked as close at it could get to the kebab shop in market place.  Driver (who's size didn't suggest he needed it in a hurry) came out with a large kebab, jumped in cab and drove off.  Irresponsible and selfish attitudes like this lead to the appointment of the wardens.  

Quoted from BrianB

Apart from the fact that it is easy pickings in the loading and unloading bays, can someone please explain why three of them need to operate all day long in Bartholomew Street South?

It is just that, easy pickings. They have a target, which prevents common sense to prevail!

When I traded in Bartholomew St., I relied heavily on customer's being able to "stop and drop" - a short 2 -3 minutes, to bring in my trade. With a parking bay designated as  "goods loading and unloading" only, which is predominently empty, a short stop to drop off or pick up goods by a private car, neither created a hazard, inconvenienced anyone, or stopped goods deliveries, and the original traffic wardens used common sense when seeing the vehicle owner was there for just a moment. Not now though, it's swoop on the motorist at every opportunity.

I know for a fact that this tactic has reduced trade in one particular shop by at least 25% - a shop that relies on goods being deposited and collected. Even their own vehicle (van) has been booked (I believe, more than once) while in the shop depositing unloaded goods!
I am just so glad that I managed to sell up when I did, because it would be much harder now to either show a profit, or find a buyer!

There's two (or is it three) pubs in this part of Bartholomew Street.  What happens to the large HGVs delivering beers and other supplies if the loading bays have a couple of vehicles in them with drivers 'just popping around the corner for a couple of minutes'? Does the HGV driver drive on up the road and find a slot and walk back to the pub ..........or does he just stop in the running lane and cause chaos while he unloads?  

These drivers ALSO have targets to meet (just as you assume the traffic wardens have) They have set deliveries to make in their timeslots and can't be messed about with waiting for people to dawdle back to their cars once they've finished their purchases. You're not looking at this from the view of a landlord or other business routinely needing large delivery vehicles.

And you KNOW that human nature will very soon result in short '2 or 3 minute' stop and drops becoming 12 or 13 minute stops as the driver picks up some flowers, drops off his dry cleaning, picks up some details from the estate agents  - all within spitting distance of the loading bays  

Then how come the pubs have been there for 100+ years, and the goods only bays just a few short years!
The pubs have survived, and in my time in Newbury, from on-street parking both sides, to double yellows both sides, and now goods only bays! There is room for both goods and short term private parking.

I am not advocating allowing people to park for any length of time, just some common sense by the CEO's.

And by the way, I don't just "assume" the wardens (or CEO's) have targets, they openly admit they have.  

Quoted from spartacus

There's two (or is it three) pubs in this part of Bartholomew Street.  What happens to the large HGVs delivering beers and other supplies if the loading bays have a couple of vehicles in them with drivers 'just popping around the corner for a couple of minutes'? Does the HGV driver drive on up the road and find a slot and walk back to the pub ..........or does he just stop in the running lane and cause chaos while he unloads?  

These drivers ALSO have targets to meet (just as you assume the traffic wardens have) They have set deliveries to make in their timeslots and can't be messed about with waiting for people to dawdle back to their cars once they've finished their purchases. You're not looking at this from the view of a landlord or other business routinely needing large delivery vehicles.

And you KNOW that human nature will very soon result in short '2 or 3 minute' stop and drops becoming 12 or 13 minute stops as the driver picks up some flowers, drops off his dry cleaning, picks up some details from the estate agents  - all within spitting distance of the loading bays  

Generally drays and any other vehicle delivering heavy goods such as barrels of beer can't do their business from the loading bays anyway. They will normally park either directly outside the pub or in the yard at the back of the pub giving access to the cellars. They have always done this since year dot and from a health ands safety aspect, we wouldn't want them rolling full casks of beer or running loaded sack trucks with stacks of heavy articles, down the footpath.
The concern over oppresive parking is that there will be a knock on effect on trade and as I made the point earlier, a general fear by potential shoppers that they are a target rather than a person trying to get about their business.
I am not sure about what discretion the green men apply but I wonder about the distiction between unloading and loading a van rather than a car. Goods could be construed as a couple of boxed light fittings from the lighting centre being picked up. Would they allow that sort of discretion or do they hide round the corners as has been suggested, like wheel clampers do, and slap a ticket straight on. I think this understanding is important and requires clarification so anybody know the answer ?.

From speaking with traders that I know local to, and also those in, my previous premises, the CEO's ticket at every opportunity, and show no discretion, unlike the original police controlled traffic wardens.

I can only speak from what I have been told, as I live very local to the area, I have no need to drive and park in Bart. St. personally.

Quoted from LocalRes

From speaking with traders that I know local to, and also those in, my previous premises, the CEO's ticket at every opportunity, and show no discretion, unlike the original police controlled traffic wardens..........I can only speak from what I have been told, .

Given this, then what is the difference between loading a parcel into a van or a car. They are can both taxed as 'PLG' but of course some of the white vans are taxed as 'Goods'. Is this the difference between loading and unloading and plain parking, the taxation class on the V5 and the road fund licence.