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Nobby
February 5, 2010, 11:47pm Report to Moderator

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Careful what you wish for...........
Problem is, once you get rid of them (or even drastically cut back their numbers) there WILL be chaos.....  Not death on the streets and rabid frothing at mouth type chaos, but word will get around (via the local rag and sites like this) that West Berks is a free for all and cars will be pretty much abandoned outside shops, on pavements, in loading bays, in disabled bays, in bus stops , on double yellow lines, outside school gates, and it wouldn't be too long before some would be demanding they come back .... (I'm not joking!!     )

There are a fair number of shop owners who currently say that the wardens are 'scaring away trade'.  Well that may or may not be true but I'd say that's more just an easy excuse to point at when the main factor determining low numbers of customers through the door is the harsh economy and lack of pennies in the pocket....

Imagine you're a shop owner in this 'park for free town', needing daily delivery but your supplier constantly has problems because the nearest loading areas are always full of cars.  How long would suppliers put up with it if it's constantly impacting on their deliveries elsewhere... Shop owner would want something done...  The police certainly wouldn't be interested and won't ever have parking put back under their wing... Who would they turn to?? Who they gonna call? (Ghostbusters don't do parking enforcement either....)

If I remember rightly (and I do... ...) Maidenhead went for several months without any form of parking enforcement in 2006.  The council took over the powers from the police (who dropped it like a hot potato) but the council decided not to go to the bother of employing wardens and had a few months of 'Live & Let Live'.  Chaos ensued...

This archived Maidenhead forum rant gives an idea  (feel the anger of Mr Shopkeeper...   )

http://www.maidenhead-advertiser.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=1712

Still...... it's an idea.... Hell, let's give it a shot!! Return to the Wild West of Newbury!  yeee-haw!


Are you User 23's other login. Why does a reduction in the number of wardens have to turn into abolition og them all. It is the threat of a ticket that will discourage those or the majority of those that flout the law.

Unfortunately you / User have to turn every argument against the council into pure stupidity (is it a requirement to work there?). All we have said is WBC made a hash of estimating the problem - probably because it appears to be staffed only by those with a hatred of cars and the combustion engine.
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Surely the issue is not about removing all CEOs and announcing to the world that there is no parking enforcement in Newbury.  It is about finding out how few CEOs are enough to deter illegal parking.  This, surely, is their purpose.

Before the CEOs we had a few Traffic Wardens (how many?) I suspect far fewer than there are CEOs.  Was illegal parking too much of a problem then? I guess some resident of places like Russell Road might not have been happy with the enforcement of residents' parking schemes. Perhaps a couple of extra CEOs to enforce these and a few more to directly replace the Traffic Wardens would have been adequate.

Instead WBC hire an army of CEOs on the basis of a wildly optimistic assessment of the income they will raise from fines. About the same time they convert three Wharf car parks to pay on exit (further reducing fine income). Most people would start with a low number and increase them until the illegal parking was down to an acceptable level. Not WBC.
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Surely the issue is not about removing all CEOs and announcing to the world that there is no parking enforcement in Newbury.  It is about finding out how few CEOs are enough to deter illegal parking.  This, surely, is their purpose.

Before the CEOs we had a few Traffic Wardens (how many?) I suspect far fewer than there are CEOs.  Was illegal parking too much of a problem then? I guess some resident of places like Russell Road might not have been happy with the enforcement of residents' parking schemes. Perhaps a couple of extra CEOs to enforce these and a few more to directly replace the Traffic Wardens would have been adequate.

Instead WBC hire an army of CEOs on the basis of a wildly optimistic assessment of the income they will raise from fines. About the same time they convert three Wharf car parks to pay on exit (further reducing fine income). Most people would start with a low number and increase them until the illegal parking was down to an acceptable level. Not WBC.
Aren't there around four or five that cover Newbury? Seems like a sensible number to me.

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In the past, I have wondered if it is necessary to have as many CEOs as I have seen patrolling in the past, on a Sunday.  Mind you, in the paper, the Council refute claims that the cost of parking provision and enforcement is supplemented by tax.  Perhaps the original news item is flawed?
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Aren't there around four or five that cover Newbury? Seems like a sensible number to me.


I don't know how the CEOs are distributed - its the budget figures that make the numbers seem excessive.
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Aren't there around four or five that cover Newbury? Seems like a sensible number to me.



You ask the question but make it appear as if you had stated a fact. So, how many CEO's will be working in Newbury on a weekday including Saturday, and how many on a Sunday.

The post by Spartacus with a link to Maidenhead, suggests that it was a disaster zone when all parking was uncontrolled was perhaps an experiment worth making but the major problem there was that people were driving into the pedestrian zones to park which in theory can't happen in Newbury. We have the opposite end of the spectrum with WBC going in full bore to make Newbury an uncomfortable place to visit due to their over enthusiasm. It's not the one hour park that's a problem, it's the ability to do a pop in that is a pain. A quick visit to our favourite emporium (Barry Forkin) this morning meant a trip round and round the area and also stopping to decipher the signs before I found somewhere to park up near Rockingham Road to pop back just to pick up a key.
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February 6, 2010, 4:39pm Report to Moderator

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You ask the question but make it appear as if you had stated a fact. So, how many CEO's will be working in Newbury on a weekday including Saturday, and how many on a Sunday.

No idea, hence the question which you've answered with another question.

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Seems like a sensible number to me.



If it seems like a sensible number then one must assume that your question is an assertion rather than a question. If you don't know how many, how could you believe and want us to believe that WBC have been sensible in their allocation of CEOs to Newbury.
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