Not a thing of great beauty is it. Judging by the artist's impression it is one of those buildings that is best viewed from above - perhaps WBC should put up a tower like the millenium wotsit in Portsmouth so we can appreciate the architect's genius better.
................... My overall feeling is that the new St Bart's is a good thing and will benefit the children who go to school there enormously. Overall, it's a tremendous asset for the town.........
I'd very much appreciate knowing exactly what benefits from the new building the children going to the School will actually get. I can't see any that wouldn't also be realised from a straightforward refurbishment. Similarly, over and above its present reputation; how is it a tremendous asset for the town. I think I'd be justifiably angry if my children were at any of the schools in the area not now being replaced and still in a poor state.
I'd very much appreciate knowing exactly what benefits from the new building the children going to the School will actually get. I can't see any that wouldn't also be realised from a straightforward refurbishment. Similarly, over and above its present reputation; how is it a tremendous asset for the town. I think I'd be justifiably angry if my children were at any of the schools in the area not now being replaced and still in a poor state.
These are all excellent points Mr Goat. But I'm afraid I've got some bad news for you.
You aren't going to find answers to any of them here. (You knew that, right?)
When you say that you'd 'very much appreciate' some information what, exactly, are you prepared to do about it?
Have you taken the time to talk to your district councillor? If you have and they didn't (as you will, no doubt, have fully anticipated!) tell you what you wanted to hear, did you try submitting a Freedom of Information request (they really can be very effective you know).
Tell you what. If you've done neither of those things, why don't you just do them and report back here on what you find out? If you don't get any sensible answers that in itself will be useful to know. If you do we can have a discussion about this based on some actual facts.
noobree, while you accused someone of peddling simple opinion, to be fair, that is all you seemed to do in your recent posts. I think it is quite reasonable to wonder if this has been an appropriate use of money. Especially as the project was started without all the money secured to finish it as planned.
I am also uncomfortable with the idea that a headmaster resigns to project manage the build. That leaves me with a poor taste in my mouth.
No. It's a school. It's not supposed to be 'beautiful', is it? Hopefully (and I have no inside information about this) it will be a good place to learn.
What it looks like is completely irrelevant, surely? The Vodafone HQ doesn't look particularly wonderful but I'm sure it's a good place from which to generate lots of profits for Vodafone's shareholders. Ditto Tesco Extra. Looks like shit but it's (in my opinion and that of its shareholders, I'm sure) a good place to shop.
noobree, while you accused someone of peddling simple opinion,.
I didn't 'accuse' anyone of anything. And it was you who said he was 'peddling opinons', not me. I just said that he was expressing an opinion but that doesn't get us anywhere.
I said that if Goat wanted actual answers to the questions which were implicit in his post he wouldn't get answers to them here. I'm sure you agree with that. I, and I'm sure many others, would be interested to have some data on this. We can all express opinions until the cows come home but it doesn't get us anywhere does it?
One of the ideas that David Cameron put forward during his election campaign was the idea of 'armchair auditors'. I really liked that idea. I'm sure that many of the posters here would be ideally qualified as armchair auditors, but we need some data, don't we Greenham? Data - not opinions. Auditors, armchair or otherwise, can't audit opinions.
The point is, he posted some points of view, as did you, but NONE of if substantiated. If you think he should go seek some data; I have to ask: when do you start?
Ah, there's another example of a post that's uniformed by the facts. Yes, there is a fives court in the new shool. I'm really keen on facts. Opinions are worthless without them. Absolutely worthless. That's a fact.
Ah, there's another example of a post that's uniformed by the facts. Yes, there is a fives court in the new shool. I'm really keen on facts. Opinions are worthless without them. Absolutely worthless. That's a fact.
Did you not see the question marks?
Your rather defensive and patronising display suggests to me you have an affinity with this development.
It explains very fully 'whatever they put on a green roof' actually is. Easy, isn't it? I have no idea whether it makes any sense whatsoever to make a roof like that. Maybe it's just a sop to tree huggers? Who knows? I'm sure that a bit more googling would reveal the answers.
But come on chaps: no more lazy 'peddled' opinions around here: let's do the research!
Your rather defensive and patronising display suggests to me you have an affinity with this development.
Well, if you're suggesting that I had any part to play in the decision about the spend or that I'm connected with West Berks Council or the school's governors you're completely wrong. Direct message me your phone number and I'll call you to discuss this.
Both my children attended the school and I have a close affinity with it but that's not why I joined in with this thread.
I joined in because I really do hate - I mean hate - opinion that has no basis in fact. When we talk I'll explain why.
Well, if you're suggesting that I had any part to play in the decision about the spend or that I'm connected with West Berks Council or the school's governors you're completely wrong. Direct message me your phone number and I'll call you to discuss this.
Both my children attended the school and I have a close affinity with it but that's not why I joined in with this thread.
I joined in because I really do hate - I mean hate - opinion that has no basis in fact. When we talk I'll explain why.
People post for various reasons, and an opinion is a legitimate reason to post. It might not fit your criteria, but in my view that is tough. At the end of the day it will be hard for you to persuade people if you continue to act in this condescending tone.
The word opinion is by definition unsubstantiated. Opinion and fact are mutually exclusive.
BTW - I am not in the habit of disclosing my phone number to strangers. I also accused you of nothing, it is only that your actions suggested you are sensitive to something about this project. It seems, however, it is actually that you are intolerant of peoples opinions.
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