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August 27, 2010, 4:37pm Report to Moderator
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Quoted from greenmeanie61
As a Green Meanie (yes, i'm one of them evil/angelic CEOs, i've finally cracked and broken my silence, after reading this forum for some time, send your PMs now )

I feel I have to add my opinion to this discussion...Spartacus is correct, there was a minor collision with the bollards involving a large van. (being driven by a professional driver I might add, who realised what he had done at the scene) They were left down as a safety precaution, and were reparied in a timely fashion the following morning. These bollards are not designed to damage vehicles, just like a brick wall isn't...but if you drive into either...


Er.. Brick walls don't shoot up underneath you. Regardless of the arguments on the rising bollards, your analogy is flawed.
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August 27, 2010, 4:54pm Report to Moderator

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Quoted from 26


Er.. Brick walls don't shoot up underneath you. Regardless of the arguments on the rising bollards, your analogy is flawed.


Makes you you wonder if he would have obeyed his satnav if it told him to drive into a brick wall.
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user23.3
August 27, 2010, 5:10pm Report to Moderator

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"totally wrecked" implies they were destroyed. In reality is seems they were ready for operation at 10am the next day.
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Makes you you wonder if he would have obeyed his satnav if it told him to drive into a brick wall.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/4879026.stm
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August 27, 2010, 5:42pm Report to Moderator

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Quoted from user23.3
"totally wrecked" implies they were destroyed. In reality is seems they were ready for operation at 10am the next day.

Quoted from 26
Brick walls don't shoot up underneath you.


The left hand side one was fairly unscathed, but the right hand one had the plastic surround split. (which prevented it from lowering correctly).

According to the little man who was looking at / repairing them in the morning, they travel at a speed of between 2 and 3 miles per hour.

The bollards were NOT totally wrecked.....and do NOT 'shoot' up under your car.

What they do do though is prevent anyone driving without due care and attention from entering a pedestrianised area.


Threep.
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August 27, 2010, 6:05pm Report to Moderator

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Quoted from Threepwood
The bollards were NOT totally wrecked.....and do NOT 'shoot' up under your car.  What they do do though is prevent anyone driving without due care and attention from entering a pedestrianised area.  Threep.

I would have thought, unless it goes to court, driving without due car and attention can only be an allegation?
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Threepwood
August 27, 2010, 6:10pm Report to Moderator

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I would have thought it was self evident. After all, there's no way he could claim that he WAS driving with due care and attention..


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August 27, 2010, 6:16pm Report to Moderator

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It is evident that he didn't acknowledge and act in accordance to the signage, but that isn't proof of DWDCAA.


I'm only being anal!  
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August 27, 2010, 6:23pm Report to Moderator

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Quoted from Threepwood
I would have thought it was self evident. After all, there's no way he could claim that he WAS driving with due care and attention..


Threep.
It's that at the very least and possibly even dangerous driving.

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It's that at the very least and possibly even dangerous driving.

It could be any sort of driving, but unless it goes to court, it is unproven; hence my previous pedantic posts.

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The best option would be to just turn the expensive waste of space back to a 24/7 road.


^  This.

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August 27, 2010, 8:39pm Report to Moderator

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Quoted from Greenham Common

It could be any sort of driving, but unless it goes to court, it is unproven; hence my previous pedantic posts.

It's obviously driving without due care and attention, legally whether the driver is guilty of the crime of Driving Without Due Care And Attention has yet to be proved, if you really want to be pedantic.
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Quoted from user23.3
It's obviously driving without due care and attention, legally whether the driver is guilty of the crime of Driving Without Due Care And Attention has yet to be proved, if you really want to be pedantic.


String 'em up Guv,  its the only language they understand.  I had that User23 in the cab the other day - very bright bloke, very balanced indeed.
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It's obviously driving without due care and attention, legally whether the driver is guilty of the crime of Driving Without Due Care And Attention has yet to be proved, if you really want to be pedantic.

That's better!  
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Quoted from Greenham Common

I would have thought, unless it goes to court, driving without due car and attention can only be an allegation?


Equally then, the bollards rising up underneath the vehicle can only be an allegation, until it is proven in court.  
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Quoted from whingewhingewhinge
Equally then, the bollards rising up underneath the vehicle can only be an allegation, until it is proven in court.  

You are right, but you can only rightly claim criminal damage in court.  As we seem not have had either party do it yet (go to court), it is yet to be challenged.

What I don't understand and has never been explained properly, is why the council cannot claim all costs from the driver for the repair of the bollards.

Perhaps greenmeanie61 could explain?
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