That is your choice, is it not? Besides, you'd have to prove that the poacher did the damage. With the bollards, the evidence is clear.
Exactly, their liability should be to cover the cost of the accident. For heaven's sake, Old Goat, I am talking about loss of tax payers money here! Something you (I assume) and I pay!
I get the feeling you are arguing for the sake of being contradictory, and not due to any tangible rationalé.
No I'm arguing for logic and basic common sense. The waste of tax payers money occurred when the wretched things were installed - again, because no one excercised any logic or basic common sense.
By the way, I don't see the difference between 'tax payers money' or 'my money' its all the same - I end up out of pocket.
This is certainly true of the bollards. Your traps are up to you.
What is nonsensical about the bollards? I don't like them either, but I don't know of a suitable alternative, based on the reason we have them.
There are several alternatives - which have been enunciated several times in other threads. As a tool for meeting the requirement they are a) designed very badly, needing specialist and costly attention when they operate against those in the wrong. b) the solution is was over expensive against the original justification. Some of this could have been addressed before they were installed if those responsible had sat down and thought about the consequences. Yes there is a requirement to meet but we've simply thrown money at it without much thought. Ironically, something the both parties in power round here have been rightly castigating the Labour government for doing!
There have been alternative ideas, but none would prevent unauthorised drivers from driving in a pedestrian zone while allowing permitted vehicles to do so. greenmeanie61 provided what seemed like a plausible summary of the other ideas, so this looks like the best of a bad bunch - in terms of what they are meant to do.
There have been alternative ideas, but none would prevent unauthorised drivers from driving in a pedestrian zone while allowing permitted vehicles to do so. greenmeanie61 provided what seemed like a plausible summary of the other ideas, so this looks like the best of a bad bunch - in terms of what they are meant to do.
I agree BUT does the actual requirement need such an expensive? In other words does it really need to be a total lock out? Again, the arguments for and against have been rehersed here and in other places - so not worth replaying. The key thing I have against was the ill informed process prior to installation - which put the town in this position.
There have been alternative ideas, but none would prevent unauthorised drivers from driving in a pedestrian zone while allowing permitted vehicles to do so. greenmeanie61 provided what seemed like a plausible summary of the other ideas, so this looks like the best of a bad bunch - in terms of what they are meant to do.
Exactly. Whilst it can be debated whether we need some sort of barrier at the entrance to the pedestrian areas but it seems it's been studied and determined that the bollards are the most cost effective method of doing this.
Exactly. Whilst it can be debated whether we need some sort of barrier at the entrance to the pedestrian areas but it seems it's been studied and determined that the bollards are the most cost effective method of doing this.
Its just a shame that those in 'authority' have chosen to remain silent because if they hadn't that would have stifled any further debate. And no, on this subject I can't be ar**ed to put in a Freedom of Information Request.
When I retire I am minded to get heavily involved. An appropriate party to get some policy and an election. The real issue is far wider than bollards - they are just an amusing detraction.
'cause you come one here saying things are crap and that it was a lack of common sense, etc. This would suggest you know better, but yet, you have not said anything to convince me you do. It is much easier to criticise, than it is to create.
'cause you come one here saying things are crap and that it was a lack of common sense, etc. This would suggest you know better, but yet, you have not said anything to convince me you do. It is much easier to criticise, than it is to create.
Rubbish! When people do outline a way forward, or different ways of doing things here, particularly when its radical they either get no response or a torrent of 'oooh that won't work' or 'never done it like that before' or 'not invented here'. Forums such as these are often sold as debating; they aren't - simply a club for people who like arguing! Nothing wrong with that - simply releases steam; nothing moree nothing less! As for anything serious, don't think so.
Rubbish! When people do outline a way forward, or different ways of doing things here, particularly when its radical they either get no response or a torrent of 'oooh that won't work' or 'never done it like that before' or 'not invented here'. Forums such as these are often sold as debating; they aren't - simply a club for people who like arguing! Nothing wrong with that - simply releases steam; nothing moree nothing less! As for anything serious, don't think so.
I'd have to agree. Forums like this serve as a place to have a moan or for people to say they could do things much better without knowing all the facts.
Rubbish! When people do outline a way forward, or different ways of doing things here, particularly when its radical they either get no response or a torrent of 'oooh that won't work' or 'never done it like that before' or 'not invented here'. Forums such as these are often sold as debating; they aren't - simply a club for people who like arguing! Nothing wrong with that - simply releases steam; nothing moree nothing less! As for anything serious, don't think so.
That is your prerogative, but that shouldn't prevent constructive criticism, yours is just to moan. I'm still waiting for you pearls of wisdom, I suspect, however, your just full of bovine excrement.
I'd have to agree. Forums like this serve as a place to have a moan or for people to say they could do things much better without knowing all the facts.
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