Saturday 16th July 2011 Parade starts at 9.45pm at the Methodist Church on Northbrook Street, Newbury before weaving its way to the Market Place
Giant insects are set to swarm through the streets of Newbury this July as legendary Spanish artists Sarruga present their spectacular night-time parade featuring incredible bicycle-powered giant insects, dramatic music and pyrotechnics. In the latest stunning outdoor event brought to you by Greenham Common Trust, Corn Exchange and Newbury Events, these huge creepy-crawlies will wind their way from outside the Methodist Chuch on Northbrook Street, through to the Market Place on an insect procession that you and your family will not believe.
Funny really about the whole idea of lizards and insects. For quite a few years in the 90s under Labour, Islington would close the main A1 into the city for an Arts Festival. So there were daft projects a-plenty. The usual stilt walkers, clowns, Spiders abseiling down an ancient church. Often French performers.
The joke is that The French Government tried to reform the benefits paid to performers. If a fireater or juggler could prove he had performed for at least 8 weeks during a year,benefits were there for the takin'. So they all headed for Avignon and Robert est votre oncle! Uproar..Aux Barricades etc. Never read what happened. As I mentioned it I probably should find out.
I am full of admiration for some performers of complicated tasks. Mesmerised by "War Horse" last year. ce
A great event spolit, for us, by the foul language and aggressive behaviour of some individuals who were drinking in and around the entrance of the Old Wagon & Horses on Market Square. This pub needs to clean up its act.
Just out of interest, how do you suggest a Pub stops the use of bad language by people not on the premises? ...and how far away from the front door would you say the pub's liabilty ends? In Imperial please. (metric seems to confuse some of our more elderly posters)
The only criticism I have of this event was the fact that it was organised on a race day which meant the town centre was busier with a very drunk crowd who were not maybe in full appreciation of the event
Just out of interest, how do you suggest a Pub stops the use of bad language by people not on the premises? ...and how far away from the front door would you say the pub's liabilty ends? In Imperial please. (metric seems to confuse some of our more elderly posters)
Threep.
Just to clarify: They were in the entrance corridor, on and around the step and going in and out. They were clearly customers of the pub and some had glasses in in their hands. They were "on the premises". One of the loudest streams of abuse came from a fat man who was inside the entrance door. If you want some measurements - I was with a group of families about 10-15 metres away before having to move on.
Sorry, my fault, you see, when you said "in and around the entrance" I though you meant "in and around the entrance", and not inside on the premises. My bad.
So, in order to sort this out, (and I'll pop in to see Lee later if you want) we need to set some rules. (Don't we)?
You would like all swearing in pubs banned? or just getting quieter the nearer you get to the door? Smokers outside should not swear under any circs I'm guessing.
So now we come to the most helpful part. What constitutes a swearing? Damn? Drat? Double Drat? Blast? Bum? Tit? Bugger? The 'F'' word? Could you sustitute two 'bums' for a 'arse' for instance?
Could someone get on the steps and whisper 'cock' under their breath, then say louder 'tits' followed by a bellowed 'twat'? Could one swap a 'bugger' shouted for two 'dick-heads' at normal volume if you weren't quite outside the pub?
Would it be ok to swear outside the Fox and Hounds at Donnington since Mickeys largest neighbour is the Mary Hare?
I'm sure Lee will be grateful for all help you could give. Should he have a swear-box to fine people if they use naughty words? How many would £2.50 buy? Could they be used on or off the premises?
Seriously, if he's got a pub with drinkers in and he decides not to serve one of them because they've had one 'prick', two 'knobs' and a 'fanny' do you think that this is more or less likely increase the swearing from that person?
Swearing can be 'not nice' but moving away is easier.
Sorry, my fault, you see, when you said "in and around the entrance" I though you meant "in and around the entrance", and not inside on the premises. My bad.
So, in order to sort this out, (and I'll pop in to see Lee later if you want) we need to set some rules. (Don't we)?
You would like all swearing in pubs banned? or just getting quieter the nearer you get to the door? Smokers outside should not swear under any circs I'm guessing.
So now we come to the most helpful part. What constitutes a swearing? Damn? Drat? Double Drat? Blast? Bum? Tit? Bugger? The 'F'' word? Could you sustitute two 'bums' for a 'arse' for instance?
Could someone get on the steps and whisper 'cock' under their breath, then say louder 'tits' followed by a bellowed 'twat'? Could one swap a 'bugger' shouted for two 'dick-heads' at normal volume if you weren't quite outside the pub?
Would it be ok to swear outside the Fox and Hounds at Donnington since Mickeys largest neighbour is the Mary Hare?
I'm sure Lee will be grateful for all help you could give. Should he have a swear-box to fine people if they use naughty words? How many would £2.50 buy? Could they be used on or off the premises?
Seriously, if he's got a pub with drinkers in and he decides not to serve one of them because they've had one 'prick', two 'knobs' and a 'fanny' do you think that this is more or less likely increase the swearing from that person?
Swearing can be 'not nice' but moving away is easier.
Threep.
Hi, I have no connection with the place, don't drink there and have no idea who "Lee" is. It seems you do, hence your defensive stance. Sorry, I do not find your childish and sarcastic comments funny or see how they help your friend. Also, where you have mentioned another pub, you have got the name wrong. Rgds
No part of it was defensive. Do know who Lee is, met him once in the Snooty, but was happy to spend my time going to see him in order to help you out. But since you're not going to help. There's nowt more I can do. Wasn't being sarcastic at all. You were so upset that you ventured onto a public forum to have a pop about hearing people swearing and suggested that the pub clean it's 'act' up (and by extension it was in some way the pub's responsiblity since you implied that the pub could stop it.)
All I was doing was trying to set some ground rules that would make you happy. Would it, for example, be ok to swear loudly in Polish if there were no Poles nearby to hear?
However, the more we got into it the sillier your stance appeared. This hasn't been helped by your throwing your toys out of the pram, having a go at the only person who offered to help, and presumably flouncing off.
No part of it was defensive. Do know who Lee is, met him once in the Snooty, but was happy to spend my time going to see him in order to help you out. But since you're not going to help. There's nowt more I can do. Wasn't being sarcastic at all. You were so upset that you ventured onto a public forum to have a pop about hearing people swearing and suggested that the pub clean it's 'act' up (and by extension it was in some way the pub's responsiblity since you implied that the pub could stop it.)
All I was doing was trying to set some ground rules that would make you happy. Would it, for example, be ok to swear loudly in Polish if there were no Poles nearby to hear?
However, the more we got into it the sillier your stance appeared. This hasn't been helped by your throwing your toys out of the pram, having a go at the only person who offered to help, and presumably flouncing off. Threep.
Your presumptions are also incorrect!
I do not believe you were trying to help me and make me happy! Your earlier comments were sarcastic and uncalled for, and you do not deny their childish nature. I now realise you were name-dropping and pretending to have influence. Thank you, but I do not need your help (and never sought it!).
Please do not trouble yourself further with this; go and "help" someone else. All the best. Rgds
No, just for you I shall go and see Lee or Hanna* (if she's working). And draw his / her / their attention to both your post and your theory that Pubs should in some way interfere with the way some customers communicate with, and to, each other.
Would you like me to come back and post any comments made? Be warned, since you are a sensitive soul, there might just be a bit of bad language.
"do not trouble yourself further with this; go and "help" someone else. All the best. Rgds"....sounds like another flounce.
You really haven't thought it through have you?
Or, if you have, how would you propose a pub 'gets it's act together' to impose the sensitivites of it's non-customers upon those who are?
A great event spolit, for us, by the foul language and aggressive behaviour of some individuals who were drinking in and around the entrance of the Old Wagon & Horses on Market Square. This pub needs to clean up its act.
Can you describe the aggressive behaviour you talking about?
I seem to remember it was the Wagon which was the pub that called the police when some customers began annoying the landlord & this kicked off the CCTV saga.
I was in a pub in a rough part of Bristol the other day. The landlord heard my brother swear at the bar and requested that he stopped swearing. Personally, I find swearing in the street quite aggressive and have on occasion asked youths to stop. I do swear myself. Usually it is in anger, hence I guess why I find it aggressive. But swearing in the street is a police matter. Whether they would risk doing anything in Newbury on a Saturday night is another matter.
Where did I say that? The point is, the races usually bring the unsavoury element to the streets of town, so it could not be considered a normal Saturday crowd.
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I seem to remember it was the Wagon which was the pub that called the police when some customers began annoying the landlord & this kicked off the CCTV saga.
It was a gang of roving yobs that started this all off I understand. They made a nuisance of themselves in several places it was alleged. The CCTV saga (where councillors demonstrably didn't know what was going on and was tried to be hushed by WBC) was started by Threep!
I seem to remember it was the Wagon which was the pub that called the police when some customers began annoying the landlord & this kicked off the CCTV saga.
I was in a pub in a rough part of Bristol the other day. The landlord heard my brother swear at the bar and requested that he stopped swearing. Personally, I find swearing in the street quite aggressive and have on occasion asked youths to stop. I do swear myself. Usually it is in anger, hence I guess why I find it aggressive. But swearing in the street is a police matter. Whether they would risk doing anything in Newbury on a Saturday night is another matter.
Swearing is not a police matter - we still have freedom of speech. It's aggressive or anti-social behaviour (which usually includes swearing) that is a matter for the police.
Swearing is not a police matter - we still have freedom of speech. It's aggressive or anti-social behaviour (which usually includes swearing) that is a matter for the police.
Section 5 of the Public Order Offences should cover it. (Although it wiould be up to Magistrates to decide)
Threep.
I thought the police were able to issue fixed penalty notices for public order offences like swearing and being drunk in public? Either way, it is most definitely an offence. The "free speech" idea is nonsense.
Where did I say that? The point is, the races usually bring the unsavoury element to the streets of town, so it could not be considered a normal Saturday crowd.
It was a gang of roving yobs that started this all off I understand. They made a nuisance of themselves in several places it was alleged. The CCTV saga (where councillors demonstrably didn't know what was going on and was tried to be hushed by WBC) was started by Threep!
You didn't I did.
Roving yobs & pub customers swearing like fishwives - little difference really. A group using offensive language whilst a town centre events is going on and a bunch of lads seeing what they can get away with.
And yes I do believe it was TW who made the op on the matter.
I was in a pub in a rough part of Bristol the other day. The landlord heard my brother swear at the bar and requested that he stopped swearing. Personally, I find swearing in the street quite aggressive and have on occasion asked youths to stop. I do swear myself. Usually it is in anger, hence I guess why I find it aggressive. But swearing in the street is a police matter. Whether they would risk doing anything in Newbury on a Saturday night is another matter.
I read that swearing at a policeman is to have its naughtiness rating 'downgraded'.
On topic, I was there in the market Place and I saw nothing untoward, but I was in the middle and away from the den of iniquities. I enjoyed the time there, although I am unsure what other displays could be staged that could be as interesting for so many people.
But yes. My younger daughter used to claim that they were separate, but my wife and I had a Thai meal in the Canal Bar recently. When I asked the barman there if we could eat up in the pub he said that we would have to order in the Canal Bar, but the food would be served up there. In the end I walked through the passageway to the pub and took our beers back to the terrace overlooking the canal.
I thought the police were able to issue fixed penalty notices for public order offences like swearing and being drunk in public? Either way, it is most definitely an offence. The "free speech" idea is nonsense.
It is not an offence to swear - the words themselves are not illegal (if they were our TV would be very different and Threep would be in big trouble for his recent post).
Offensive behaviour almost always includes swearing but it is the offensive nature of the behaviour that may be illegal not the swearing. It's not what you say it's the way you say it.
But yes. My younger daughter used to claim that they were separate, but my wife and I had a Thai meal in the Canal Bar recently. When I asked the barman there if we could eat up in the pub he said that we would have to order in the Canal Bar, but the food would be served up there. In the end I walked through the passageway to the pub and took our beers back to the terrace overlooking the canal.
Hardly the sign of two separate establishments.
I was wondering which establishment managed the toilets...
If WBC were complying with the law we could easily check - but they have not made details of premises licenses available to the public (as required) since 2008. However, the Canal Bar dates back to before 2008 - when it certainly did not have a separate premises licence and was evidently operating under the Waggon & Horses licence.
A great event spolit, for us, by the foul language and aggressive behaviour of some individuals who were drinking in and around the entrance of the Old Wagon & Horses on Market Square. This pub needs to clean up its act.
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